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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Jan 13, 2010 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti

Do not donate via government... it will never get to the people who need it. I hate to say this, but find a church that is sending missionaries there. Your money will get to the people, send manual can openers, canned food, etc.

The government is so corrupt the presidents girlfriend just bought a million dollar house in coral gables with our tax money while their people starve.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 13, 2010 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti

US is sending Military in a humanitarian capacity. Naval Vessels to be used as floating hospitals etc. = Tax $$

I think Red Cross is safe as they usually send their own people to do the work.

Either way it is a big mess in Haiti.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 13, 2010 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti

Sad that it is so difficult to do what seems so simple, BUT CC & NC have a point...my brother lived there for some time, and was actually deported for "political unrest" when in reality it was attempting to help folks. It really is as corrupt and explotative a place as you can imagine...all the cliches apply, and then some.

As jgl and others note, best bet is to put your $ in an entity you "know" (as best as you can) that devotes the largest sum to direct aid rather than the "support structure" (ie, themselves), and don't provide ANYTHING directly to the powers that be in control there...

The military can do good in these circumstances; hope they can...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 13, 2010 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

Televangelist Pat Robertson said Wednesday that earthquake-ravaged Haiti has been "cursed" by a "pact to the devil."

"Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it," he said on Christian Broadcasting Network's "The 700 Club." "They were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III, or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you'll get us free from the French. True story. And so, the devil said, okay it's a deal."

Robertson said that "ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after the other" and he contrasted Haiti with its neighbor, the Dominican Republic.

"That island of Hispaniola is one island. It is cut down the middle; on the one side is Haiti on the other is the Dominican Republic," he said. "Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island. They need to have and we need to pray for them a great turning to god and out of this tragedy I'm optimistic something good may come. But right now we are helping the suffering people and the suffering is unimaginable."

When can that SOB drop dead and join the likes of Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell and other charlatans?

Dumb all over...

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jan 13, 2010 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

When can that SOB drop dead and join the likes of Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell and other charlatans? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--TwfsHgA6U

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 13, 2010 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvcEEN-82ZU

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 13, 2010 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

Frank Zappa - The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing

Some take the bible
For what it's worth
When it says that the meek
Shall inherit the Earth
Well, I heard that some sheik
Has bought New Jersey last week
'N you suckers ain't gettin' nothin'

Is Hare Rama really wrong
If you wander around
With a napkin on
With a bell on a stick
An' your hair is all gone...
(The geek shall inherit nothin')

You say yer life's a bum deal
'N yer up against the wall...
Well, people, you ain't even got no
Deal at all
'Cause what they do
In Washington
They just takes care
of NUMBER ONE
An' NUMBER ONE ain't YOU
You ain't even NUMBER TWO

Those Jesus Freaks
Well, they're friendly but
The shit they believe
Has got their minds all shut
An' they don't even care
When the church takes a cut
Ain't it bleak when you got so much nothin'
(So whaddya do)
Eat that pork
Eat that ham
Laugh till ya choke
On Billy Graham
Moses, Aaron 'n Abraham...
They're all a waste of time
'N it's yer ass that's on the line
(IT'S YER ASS THAT'S ON THE LINE)

Do what you wanna
Do what you will
Just don't mess up
Your neighbor's thrill
'N when you pay the bill
Kindly leave a little tip
And help the next poor sucker
On his one way trip...
SOME TAKE THE BIBLE...
(Aw gimme a half a dozen for the hotel room!)

Frank Zappa - Dumb All Over
Whoever we are
Wherever we're from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
It's gonna take a lot more
Than tryin' to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether
They call it THE EARTH
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
'Cause we behave the same...
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near'n far
Dumb all over
Black 'n white
People, we is not wrapped tight
Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religious fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin' the Bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
'Bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book
We got over here
You can't run a race
Without no feet
'N pretty soon
There won't be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religious fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it won't blow up
'N disappear
It'll just look ugly
For a thousand years...)
You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
Hooray! That's great
Two legs ain't bad
Unless there's a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (Get down!)
Not his, not hers (but what the hey?)
The Good Book says:
"It's gotta be that way!"
But their book says:
"REVENGE THE CRUSADES...
With whips 'n chains
'N hand grenades..."
TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS?
Have another and another
Our Cod says:
"There ain't no other!"
Our Cod says
"It's all okay!"
Our God says "This is the way!"
It says in the book:
"Burn 'n destroy...
'N repent, 'n redeem
'N revenge, 'n deploy
'N rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
'Cause they don't go for what's in the book
'N that makes 'em BAD
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice French bomb
To poof them out of existence
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise OURGOD
("Cause he can really take care of business!")
And when his humble TV servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blonde wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
It's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'Cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to hebbin!
(Depending on which book you're using at the time...
Can't use theirs...it don't work...it's all lies...Gotta use mine...)
Ain't that right?
That's what they say
Every night...
Everyday...
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following
God's Orders
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An'the book says:
He made us all to be just like Him,"
so...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)

Frank Zappa - Heavenly Bank Account

And if these words you do not heed
Your pocket book just kinda might recede
When some man comes along and claims a godly need
He will clean you out right through your tweed

That's right, remember there is a big difference between
kneeling down and bending over...

He's got twenty million dollars
In his Heavenly Bank Account...
All from those chumps who was
Born again
Oh yeah, oh yeah
He's got seven limousines
And a private plane...
All for use of his
Special Friends
Oh yeah, oh yeah
He's got thousand-dollar suits
And a Wembley Tie...
Girls love to stroke it
While he's on the phone
Oh yeah, oh yeah
At the House of Representatives
He's a groovy guy...
When he Gives Thanks He is not alone...

He is dealin'
He is really dealin' IRS can't determine
Where The Hook is
It is easy with the Bible
To pretend that
You're in Show Biz
They won't get him
They will never get him
For the naughty stuff
That he did
It is best in cases like this
To pretend that
You are stupid

He's got Presidential Help
All along the way
He says the grace
While the lawyers chew
Oh yeah
They sure do
And the Governors agree to say: "He's a lovely man!"
He makes it easier for
Them to screw
All of you...
Yes, that's true!
'Cause he helps put
The Fear of God
In the Common Man
Snatchin' up money
Everywhere he can
Oh yeah Oh yeah
He's got twenty million dollars
In his Heavenly Bank Account
You ain't got nothin', people
You ain't got nothin', people
You ain't got nothin', people
Thank the man...oh yeah





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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 13, 2010 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

Hey! If these "deals with the devil" are so easily arranged, maybe we can make a few ourselves?

First order of biz, lets make one to rid ourselves of all these tel-e-vangelists, k? We can bargain your soul for that, BD (basement price, right?).

Second, we can make a deal to get all the early era shows released in sbd quality, full length. Oh, what the Hell (ha), lets go for a "68 boxed set"...this may require a couple of "high quality" souls, so will get a few of those newbies that haven't had the time to degrade themselves hereabouts as they probably have full market value...right? No doubt DEAD productions will require a stiff deal...



JK one and all...hope it isn't offensive...cept to BD, of course. He can take it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 13, 2010 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

Well, I'll sell my soul for a chance to be at the mystery '68 shows. (noticed you listed - I include those among my faves). Then again, who wants to buy my soul? Not like I can barter with the horned one...

... always loved FZ's liner notes from the referenced album:

From You Are What You Is liner notes:

"THIS ARTICLE WAS ORIGINALLY PREPARED for publication in Newsweek magazine. After it was sent to them, they rejected it saying that it was too 'idiosyncratic.' Since we needed something to fill up this space, this article will now meet its destiny as decorative filler material.

Say Cheese …

It has been suggested that the Gross National Product is perhaps not the best indicator of how well we are doing as a society since it tells us nothing about the Quality of our Lives … but, is this worth dwelling upon as we grovel our way along in the general direction of the 21st Century? When future historians write about us, they base their conclusions on whatever material goods survive from Present-Day America, we will undoubtedly stand alone among nations and be known forevermore as 'THOSE WHO CHOSE CHEESE.'

As you will recall, folks, nobody ever had as much going for them in the beginning as we did. Let's face it … we were fantastic. Today, unfortunately, we are merely WEIRD. This is a shocking thing to say, since no Red-Blooded American likes to think of his or herself as being WEIRD, but when there are other options and a whole nation CHOOSES CHEESE, that is WEIRD.

Our mental health has been in a semi-wretched condition for quite some time now. One of the reasons for this distress, aside from CHOOSING CHEESE as a way of life, is the fact that we have (against some incredibly stiff competition) emerged victorious as the biggest bunch of liars on the face of the planet. No society has managed to invest more time and energy in the perpetuation of the fiction that it is moral, sane and wholesome than our current crop of Modern Americans.

This same delusion is the Mysterious Force behind our national desire to avoid behaving in any way that might be construed as INTELLIGENT. Modern Americans behave as if intelligence were some sort of hideous deformity. To cosmeticize it, many otherwise normal citizens attempt a peculiar type of self-inflicted homemade mental nose-job (designed to lower the recipient's socio-intellectual profile to the point where the ability to communicate on the most mongolian level provides the necessary certification to become ONE OF THE GUYS). Let's face it … nobody wants to hang out with somebody who is smarter than they are. This is no FUN.

Americans have always valued the idea of FUN. We have a National Craving for FUN. We don't get very much of it anymore, so we do two things: first, we rummage around for anything that might be FUN, then (since it really wasn't FUN stuff in the first place) we pretend to enjoy it (whatever it was). The net result: STRESSED CHEESE.

But where does all this CHEESE really come from? It wouldn't be fair to blame it all on TV, although some credit must be given to whoever it is at each of the networks that GIVES US WHAT WE WANT. (You don't ask – you don't get). Folks, we now have GOT IT … lots of it … and, in our Infinite American Wisdom, we have constructed elaborate systems to insure that future generations will have an even more abundant supply of that fragrant substance upon which we presently thrive.

If we can't blame it on the TV, then where does it come from? Obviously, we are weird if we have to ask such a question. Surely we must realize by now (except for the fact that we lie to ourselves so much that we get confused sometimes) that as Contemporary Americans we have an almost magical ability to turn anything we touch into a festering mound of self-destructing poot.

How can we do this with such incredible precision? Well, one good way is to form a Committee. Committees composed of all kinds of desperate American Types have been known to convert the combined unfulfilled emotional needs and repressed biological urges of their memberships into complex masses of cheese-like organisms at the rap of a gavel. Committee Cheese is usually sliced very thin, then bound into volumes for eventual dispersal in courts of law, legislative chambers, and public facilities where you are invited to eat all you want.

If that doesn't fill you up, there is the exciting Union Cheese … the most readily available cheese-type offered. The thing that's so exciting about Union Cheese, from a gourmet's point of view, is the classic simplicity of the mathematical formula from which it is derived. In fact, it is difficult to avoid a state of Total Ecstasy if one contemplates the proposition that no import quota yet devised has proven equal to the task of neutralizing the lethal emissions generated by the ripening process of this piquant native confection. Should we not be overtaken by some unspeakable emotion when we consider the fact that the smaller the amount of care taken in the preparation of each Union Cheese Artifact, the more triumphant the blast as the vapors stream forth from every nook and cranny of whatever it was that the stalwart craftsperson got paid $19.00 per hour to slap together?

Still hungry? Union Cheese might be the most readily available, but no type of cheese in America today has achieved the popular acceptance of Accountant Cheese. If it is true that YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT, then surely our national willingness to eat this stuff tells us more about ourselves than we probably wish to know. Obviously we have found The Cheese To Believe In. Why not? It is manufactured by people who count money, endorsed as nutritionally sound by Civic Leaders, and delivered by The Media door to door. The Quality Of Our Lives (if we think of this matter in terms of 'How much of what we individually consider to be Beautiful are we able to experience every day?') seems an irrelevant matter, now that all decisions regarding the creation and distribution of Works of Art must first pass under the limbo bar (a/k/a 'The Bottom Line'), along with things like Taste and The Public Interest, all tied like a tin can to the wagging tale of the sacred Prime Rate Poodle. The aforementioned festering poot is coming your way at a theatre or drive-in near you. It wakes you up every morning as it droozles out of your digital clock radio. An ARTS COUNCIL somewhere is getting a special batch ready with little tuxedos on it so you can think it's precious.

Yes Virginia … there is a FREE LUNCH. We are eating it now. Can I get you a napkin?"

— FZ, April 1, 1981

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 13, 2010 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

So you like donuts eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZcZ2h4Ths

- "IOU one brain, signed God"

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 13, 2010 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

Will sell my soul for $.25... Wait a minute... I'm in lL Jolla, better make it $.35...

:)

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jan 14, 2010 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

SOLD the Brooklyn Bridge for $5!!!!!!!!!

I made my donation to UNICEF, I figured if they are good enough for George Harrison they are a good bet to help the Hatians.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 14, 2010 9:57am
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I just did $10.00 to Unicef... Can't really afford it, but living back here in earthquake country, and having been through a few, I can appreciate their need! Hope it helps!

Now a challenge!

Everyone else here matches our $10.00, that is some serious help!

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Poster: dizbuster Date: Jan 14, 2010 2:44pm
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well good luck to both of you.......to all of you! i am fortunate enough to be able to match your donation and then some so i'll do it right now on behalf of the forum!
i know the hatians need it far more than i do.......such bad luck to endure what they are going through. it is breaking my heart.........

This post was modified by dizbuster on 2010-01-14 22:44:29

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jan 14, 2010 6:06pm
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!! Its times like this I know why I hang with you KIND folks and have for 33 years.

What we do does matter, I just had a visit from my friend who I had to talk out of something really stupid recently, he got a job through a temp service, his landlord is cutting him slack even though he is two months behind and he is more optimistic than I've seen him since I met him.

Playin in the Heart of Gold Band today!!!(damn I sound like Tiny Tim*S*)

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 14, 2010 8:42am
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Good on you friend... My money be very tight, but thinking about chipping in a buck or two myself. I never heard of an earthquake in the carribean before. Always figgered hurricanes were plenty to deal with!

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jan 14, 2010 8:55am
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I understand tight, I've been unemployed since Nov 08' and my unemployment ran out this week but I am still alot better off than these folks. I did do mine on a $10 a month payment plan but its better than nothing I hope.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 14, 2010 10:05am
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Check into extentions... I got like 24 weeks and I think I've heard you can get another 20 or so from the Feds... Worth the legwork, beats hell out of being totally broke!!!

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jan 14, 2010 1:50pm
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I had two extensions to make 1 full year, have you collected more than 52 weeks?

I know a friend from MA. who has been on it for 2 years almost.

I have developed a relationship with a old client and I am going t try rep-ing his Hosted IT solution to the SMB market.

According to the industry rags it is going to be the largest growth segment of IT in the world. They are a leader in the industry and I will be leading their marketing efforts.

So I'm praying for some good luck!

And praying for all my friends and countrymen (and women) who are suffering from this DEPRESSION. I know several folks who are homeless now because of it and one who I've had to keep from killing himself several times recently.

I am PISSED at what our "LEADERS" have dragged us into.(turning red and gritting my teeth)

Ok, well I got that off my chest: Thank you!!! I feel much better now, time for my medication I think(lighter fires up in the backround..... gurgle gurgle gurgle)

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 14, 2010 2:05pm
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Amen Brother! Wishing you luck!!!

I just recently became unemployed, have a fair amount in the account and extended family here watching my back. So, I better get some work done...

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jan 14, 2010 2:38pm
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crush are you in CO, if so are you attending Furthur?

we should toast to our great future success*S*.

or plan the revolution-lol

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 14, 2010 3:00pm
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In Ca now... Always willing to toast (or get toasted) and ALWAYS working on the revolution!!!

:)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 14, 2010 9:07am
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You really are one of the good guys, Bus; of course, I already knew this, but really...good on ya.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 14, 2010 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a nightmare

My wife works at the Center for Stabilization and Reconstruction at the Naval Postgrad School here in Monterey and just got this message from someone that works with the UN Development team there:

"Kinda busy here with Haiti stuff – have lost many colleagues(some 130 est and maybe as high as 200) in the collapse of the UN building including many in the DDR team…..We are sending a UN replacement team out at 8pm tonight to carry on the work and need to ensure they have everything"....

This is DDR (not that it has anything to with current crisis) http://www.unddr.org/

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 14, 2010 3:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Haiti - a man of God weighs in

What??? And I don't count now that I bailed out on AZ??????

Do you have any idea how many people get 6 ? marks from me???????????

Or 11?

Tell, I only goof on ya 'cause I consider you a true friend!

And that be Fact Jack!!!

Yer Pal, Jon

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jan 14, 2010 9:39am
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Hey don't go given folks the wrong impression of me-- I am a Grumpy Ole Fart!!!

I just know it matters to somebody, and I was stuck growin up in the age of the bleeding heart HIPPIE movement, can't help myself*S*.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 13, 2010 3:46pm
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Tell-e-vangelists? Does that mean I have to go away from here???

:)